Kenn ([info]kennmorningstar) wrote,

This is fuckin ridiculous

Just another example of the abuse of the system by stupid people, mainly liberal, with no respect for tradition or culture... I guess they will only be happy when every mascott is the "Tofu" and we are all a light brown color and indistingiushable from each other... cause thats only fair right?

NCAA to Crack Down on 'Hostile' Nicknames
# Many Native American logos and mascots will be banned at postseason college sports events.

By Robyn Norwood, Times Staff Writer

The National Collegiate Athletic Assn. will ban the use of 18 Native American nicknames and mascots it considers "hostile or abusive" during its postseason tournaments beginning early next year, the organization announced Friday.

The move drew praise from groups that oppose such depictions but stirred controversy with a banned list that includes the Florida State Seminoles, the Illinois Fighting Illini and the Utah Utes, while granting exceptions to the San Diego State Aztecs and Cal State Stanislaus Warriors, among others.

"That's a start," said Cindy La Marr, former president of the National Indian Education Assn. and executive director of Capitol Area Indian Resources in Sacramento. She also has served on the steering committee of the California-based Alliance Against Racial Mascots.

"The whole reason behind it is, it harms our children," La Marr said, citing not only stereotypes and caricatures but also the nicknames themselves.

"It's different if it's a city school or street. A sports team creates a division because one team wins and one team loses."

But T.K. Wetherell, Florida State's president, called the decision "outrageous and insulting," citing a resolution by the Tribal Council of the Seminole Tribe of Florida in support of the school's use of the nickname and symbols, which include Chief Osceola, who gallops onto the football field on horseback and plants a burning spear in the turf before home games.

"The rules, as we understand them, would have us cover the Seminole name and symbol as if we were embarrassed, and any committee that would think that is a proper and respectful treatment of Native Americans should be ashamed," Wetherell said in a statement.

Max Osceola, a member of the tribal council, said: "Is the NCAA going to make Notre Dame go ask every Irishman if it's OK to use the name Fighting Irish?"

San Diego State, which in recent years replaced its Monty Montezuma mascot and has worked to make its depiction of Aztecs historically accurate, successfully argued in part that an Aztec was not an American Indian.

"One, the Aztecs are not a North American culture, but a culture that was based in what is now Mexico," said Jack Beresford, a university spokesman. "Second, we went through a pretty exhaustive process, a comprehensive review of our logos that were deemed offensive, and replaced Monty Montezuma with a new mascot, consulting the community and experts in Aztec culture to ensure it was historically accurate and culturally appropriate."

NCAA spokesman Erik Christianson said the organization "accepted the findings from SDSU that it could not find any organized tribe or group related to Aztecs.

"The institution reviewed the issue both here in the United States and in Mexico, where the Aztecs first originated," Christianson said.

The Cal State Stanislaus Warriors were not subject to the postseason ban because in recent years the school took the Indian head emblem off its basketball court and jerseys and changed its mascot several times, most recently to a mythical Trojan figure, Athletic Director Milton Richards said.

Among other schools that are not subject to the ban is North Carolina Pembroke, which uses the nickname Braves but was founded in part for Lumbee Indians in the area and has a high population of American Indian students.

The decision to enforce a limited ban was made by the NCAA Executive Committee, a group made up of university presidents and chancellors.

"Colleges and universities may adopt any mascot that they wish, as that is an institutional matter," said Walter Harrison, chairman of the committee and president of the University of Hartford.

"But as a national association, we believe that mascots, nicknames or images deemed hostile or abusive in terms of race, ethnicity or national origin should not be visible at the championship events that we control."

The NCAA ban, which is subject to appeal by individual schools, is to take effect in February. It will not cover regular-season competition or major college football's bowl championship series, which is governed independently.

However, NCAA President Myles Brand said he hoped the BCS would follow the NCAA's lead.

"We're trying to send a message very strongly that we do not think these kind of mascots are appropriate," Brand said.

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[info]kennmorningstar

August 8 2005, 01:15:46 UTC 6 years ago

Naming your team the "Warriors" the "Seminoles" the "Savages" or the any other name while depicting the native american culture isnt racist... the schools have been using the depictions for years, and most of them (FSU in particular) go to great lengths to reflect the tribal traditions as respectfully as possible.
The culture is recognized as being a warrior culture, the fact that we use them to inspire competitiveness and school pride shouldnt be considered a racial slur.
So you think it would be improper to have the John Marshall "Samurai"? Is that racist? Not at all.
I dont agree with everything conservatives do, and I dont agree with almost all of what the far left does, but any-wing activism that is this far out there is stupid in the extreme. You say I talk too much about liberals being dumb, but they are the ones usually running around suing everyone to force their views on the public... Im sorry, fuck them.
And to be fair the conservative Texas congress is trying to pass an anti-gay marraige ammendment, which I will be voting against this Nov. Thats not a conservative vote now is it?
So please dont try to say I choose one side over the other... its this type of stupid crap (the above article) that makes me sick and tired of annoying liberal activists groups fucking it up for the rest of us.

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[info]kennmorningstar

August 9 2005, 00:05:18 UTC 6 years ago

Calling someone a savage I agree is a rude term, calling yuor TEAM the Savages is NOT a rude term, its a football team, its name is suppoed to bring people a message and an image.

Calling the native american "braves" warriors is not an insult, naming your team the warriors or braves again is not an insult. They are not calling the indians savages or "scalper" or anything like that. They are simply invoking a name and an image that is supposed to be dominant and powerful... I see no insult here.

Samurai and Brave and Warrior are all ranks... the parallel does apply. And its only a small minority of native americans TRYING to get this thing done... the Seminole tribes of Florida support FSU all the way as an example shown in the article. Thats like I am 20% irish, I want to run and sue Notre Dame for using the Fighting Irish... so what most, if not all, of the other people of Irish decent dont agree with me,... I bet I can find soem activist judge to agree with me and my 10 firneds and sue them to change it or pay me millions in "pain and suffering and belittlement of my 20% noble heritage."

Come on.. its going too far.

And yes I consider myself conservative... not a far right wing whacko. Which is why I dont agree with everything the conservatives do... I agree with almost nothing the crazy lefty liberals do... some things, but not much.
I think their time would be better spent, oh I dont know, pursuing health care and more college funds for native american people... not trying to get sports teams to change their names... thats just stupid.



[info]purplesunn

August 7 2005, 22:53:01 UTC 6 years ago

HOLY FUCK!!!!!! i never saw that yet so this is the first i'm hearing about it. HOLY SHIT!!!! that is not only ridiculous, it's sad that people think that way. FSU HONORS the great seminole tribe...the ONLY tribe to kick the ass of President Andrew Jackson. I can't believe this.

[info]kennmorningstar

August 8 2005, 01:18:16 UTC 6 years ago

Far left liberals are too stupid to realize that not everything has to be taken to court. I like how they want their freedom of speech and equality until you say something they dont like... then they cant wait to tie you to the bumper of a Toyota Hybrid and drag your corpse down to the Berkley Campus to drop it off in front of the Fidel Castro building for the continuing study of why America Sucks.... stupid fucking left wingers.

[info]ex_central26

August 8 2005, 18:33:40 UTC 6 years ago

I agree, anyone far this way or that needs to relax. the world doesn't care that much. I do have to agree with kenn on the samurai thing up to the point that Japan wasn't just a samurai culture. However, japan also wasn't "conquered" at least not in the sense we're still there enslaving them to small plots of land. Anyway, its frickin college sports, who cares? Collegwe sports are about as important and, well, professional sports. I think its just a campaign to make the corrupt sports industry look better.

[info]kennmorningstar

September 1 2005, 12:51:35 UTC 6 years ago

Yeah Japan wasnt conquered.. it was NUKED INTO SUBMISSION!!!! Which is even cooler... if I do say so myself...
...which I do.
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